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Fish Oil, Superfoods, and Immunity With Nora Gedgaudas | Wellness Mama

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This episode, I’m right here with Nora Gedgaudas, who’s a board-certified dietary marketing consultant and a medical neurofeedback specialist. She has over 20 years of medical expertise and he or she’s additionally an especially detailed researcher. All the time love to listen to her analysis. And as you’ll hear as we speak, she goes deep on each matter that she researches. On this one particularly, we deal with some questions that I hold getting from you guys, issues like the present knowledge and science on fermented cod liver oil, about fish oil normally, what nature’s actual superfoods are, and data-backed ways in which we will all strengthen our immune system, particularly going into this time of the yr. In order all the time with Nora, numerous info on this episode, and with out additional ado, let’s be part of her now.
Nora, welcome again.

Nora: Oh, Katie, it’s nice to be again once more with you and your nice viewers.

Katie: I’m all the time so excited to speak with you. I do know the primary time we met we chatted for hours, I feel, and had so many subjects to speak about. And that is enjoyable, we get to file and let different individuals take part on our dialog. I’d like to… I’ve an entire host of subjects for you as we speak. However what I wanna make it possible for we contact on earlier than we go deep on another stuff is what the analysis is saying proper now and what you present in your analysis concerning fermented cod liver oil as a result of that is one thing that was extensively beneficial by lots of people for a very long time. It’s one thing that I feel was popularized by, you understand, Weston A. Value Basis, and Weston A. Value’s work and his analysis in vitamin and bodily degeneration. And I do know that there’s some new knowledge and that you’ve carried out fairly a little bit of analysis on this space, normally. So I’d love to begin there. And like I mentioned, we’ll soar into many extra subjects, however let’s deal with that one first.

Nora: So, for the thought of fermented cod liver oil is definitely a newer factor. It was really by no means… Nothing known as fermented cod liver oil was ever talked about by Weston Value. There are specific individuals with a vested curiosity in selling or promoting fermented cod liver oil which are doing so. However it’s important to understand that, you understand, oil and fats don’t ferment. , fat rancidify, proper? Carbohydrates ferment and proteins putrefy, you understand, after they sit round. So, you understand, the thought of fermenting a fats or an oil, you understand, it sounds prefer it’s doing one thing constructive, however in truth, it appears to be doing little greater than deteriorating the standard of the oil. And, you understand, sure individuals I knew inside, you understand, the Weston A. Value Basis, which has a really shut relationship with Dave Wetzel, you understand, who owns Inexperienced Pastures and who popularized the usage of fermented cod liver oil, what they name fermented.

There have been a variety of well being complaints that had been coming in. And, you understand, Dr. Kaayla Daniel, on the time, was the vp and the chief scientist or no matter, on the Weston A. Value Basis. She’d received their, you understand, integrity and science award, and all of that, very, superb and succesful researcher. And he or she was getting plenty of well being complaints from members that had been saying that that they, you understand, felt much less nicely, you understand, taking the fermented cod liver oil, that they had been having untoward results. And, so, there was plenty of resistance on the a part of, you understand, Sally fell into an investigation as a result of she’s so strongly believed in its advantages. And so, a variety of individuals, a few of whom are identified, and a few of whom selected to stay nameless, pulled collectively their cash, their very own cash out of their very own pockets, and fund about 10 grand price and funded a analysis, principally despatched out samples of these items to a few of the greatest labs on the earth to have it an analyzed to find out.

As a result of, you understand, the info outcomes or regardless of the lab outcomes that Dave Wetzel offered, you understand, had been his personal proprietary testing strategies that no one might replicate apparently. , when he had his personal, you understand, private evaluation, however there had by no means been any unbiased evaluation of these items. They usually felt that there was a necessity for this. One one that was a longtime ally and who was really a longtime good friend of mine, who was an ally of the Weston A. Value Basis, you understand, for many years, suffered what he decided was close to coronary heart failure on account of supplementing with it in giant doses the way in which he been beneficial. And when he stopped taking it, he improved some… He was really inside… He ended up being taken to the hospital. This was Ron Schmid, by the way in which. I imply, he would haven’t any qualms about being recognized. He was very, very vocal about his condemnation as a result of he discovered analysis to indicate that rancid oil and rancid cod liver oil may be cardiotoxic. And he didn’t know that, and he’s taking big quantities of these items. So he needed… , he was one of many those that contributed to the analysis fund.

And what ended up getting back from a few of the greatest labs on the earth was that this was essentially the most rancid, you understand, fish oil product that they’d ever measured, that they’d ever researched. And, you understand, sadly, there was a little bit of a media blackout throughout the group. And, you understand, Kaayla, you understand, tried to cause with the powers that had been inside a corporation. And there was plenty of resistance to that. And so, Kaayla felt it was her obligation as a scientist, as a accountable scientist to publish the findings of all of this. And he or she was “fairly bitter” about the way in which all of it obtained dealt with. And that, sadly, additionally got here throughout within the article she wrote, however the science substantively in her article is stable.

And if anyone desires to learn extra about what transpired, they’ll go to Kaayla Daniels’s web site or you possibly can simply do in your search bar, ideally with DuckDuckGo, or Qwant, or Swisscows, versus Google, sort in “Hook, Line, and Stinker.” And that was her preliminary article on that. And he or she’s since carried out some observe up analysis publications. However I do know of individuals personally who, you understand, had very unsavory well being results, let’s consider, and whose departure from this world might very nicely have been hastened by way of all of that. And clearly, I can’t make claims by hook or by crook to that impact. All I do know is that I can’t use fermented cod liver oil. In truth, once I first took a have a look at the analysis that got here out of these labs, you understand, I had only recently determined I used to be going to present that product a go, and I bought a case of it, which was not an inexpensive factor to do. And all of it went into the dumpster, and I can’t contact it.

And, you understand, a very good rule of thumb, if a fish oil that you just complement with tastes unhealthy, it in all probability is unhealthy. , it ought to…a very good high quality fish oil tastes actually delicate. It mustn’t style fishy and gross. However you understand, cod liver oil is predominantly a vitamin A. I view cod liver oil is predominantly a vitamin A complement. And if there are excessive ranges of D in it, it’s as a result of, you understand, it’s been fortified in some way. It’s been added in. In truth, there was some important quantity of D2 that appeared to have been added to the Inexperienced Pasture’s product, which suggests it’s been lower with different oils and vegetable oils or no matter else. I’m attempting to recollect all of this now as a result of it’s been a number of months.

However yeah, I imply, I’m not a fan and it’s not a product that I’d ever advocate to anyone at this level. And truthfully, you possibly can’t discover a lot as one phrase talked about in vitamin, bodily degeneration, about “fermented cod liver oil.” Weston Value talked about cod liver oil a few occasions in passing. It wasn’t like a significant focus of what he wrote about. However he talked about it as a potential different for those who both didn’t have entry to liver or didn’t wish to eat liver, possibly this was one thing that they may do to get there. However clearly, consuming liver goes to be the absolute best factor you are able to do since you’re getting such a broader complement of vitamins in… I take into account liver the last word superfood, you understand, shove over camu camu and even turmeric. I imply, liver is so nutrient-dense. It simply has a lot going for it…

Katie: I’m glad you introduced up liver as a result of that was a few the follow-ups I had associated to that. Like, I feel when it got here to fermented cod liver oil, I agree with you that there’s like all of this new knowledge we have to have a look at. And I feel the purpose that individuals had been searching for in that was that it was imagined to be very nutrient-dense meals. So I really like that you just introduced up liver as a result of I’ve heard liver known as nature’s multivitamin. I feel that’s one thing we don’t discuss sufficient, you understand. So I’d love to listen to, simply type of give us an summary of why issues like organ meats are such superfoods and likewise possibly tackle what about fish oil, normally, as a result of that’s one other observe up query. You talked about a bit little bit of, like, what to search for in fish oil, however that’s a controversial one, proper?

Nora: Yeah, you understand, proper. And so I don’t really personally use cod liver oil. I feel, you understand, Nordic Naturals has a fairly clear one, nevertheless it’s not going to be tremendous, tremendous excessive in plenty of stuff. However it’s at the very least not more likely to be rancid. However, if I might have my choose of what to advocate, I’d… , when you don’t like liver, study to find it irresistible or determine a manner of getting it in your food regimen, you understand, that’s palatable to you. They usually’re… , I can provide you my primary hack for getting liver into your food regimen in a manner the place…I imply, a significant quantity into your food regimen. I do know generally individuals will like… And I’ve beneficial this earlier than, to cube up little bits of it and blend it into floor beef. However it’s laborious to get significant quantities if you’re attempting to cover it that manner. And I found this hack. And, you understand, it definitely modified my life as a result of I don’t just like the style of beef liver. I simply don’t. I really like poultry liver, nevertheless it’s not fairly as nutrient-dense as beef liver. So say you might have, I suppose the way in which during which I’ve used this essentially the most, however I’ve additionally used it in sauces. However say it’s… We’re shifting into colder, you understand, months now, at the very least, these of us who weren’t dwelling in Florida. And chili, you understand, is type of a heartier type of meals, you understand, for this time of yr. And so say you make an entire large pot of chili, proper, and also you’re on the point of serve that, and it’s effervescent on the range, you possibly can take, I suppose, relying on how a lot chili you’ve obtained within the pot, proper, and the way a lot you’re making for a way many individuals, you possibly can take an enormous quantity of liver, like half a pound. I’ve really thrown as a lot as a pound, which is possibly just a bit an excessive amount of when you don’t wanna style it in any respect, however you are able to do it good half a pound and never fear about tasting this.

You are taking a half-pound or so, order half-pound relying on the dimensions of the pot of chili you’ve obtained of uncooked liver and throw it into, you understand, a meals processor or a blender, and also you puree the crap out of it till it’s pure liquid. And simply earlier than you serve the chili, simply pour that liquid into the pot and stir it up. And what you’ll get is a creamier model. It’s loopy how nicely that works. And the opposite factor I’ve carried out is I’ve taken in pureed liver and poured it into like silicone sort ice dice trays. And so when I’ve like a sauce, you understand, or one thing, I can simply throw a dice of that in, you understand, get it a bit bit thawed room temperature, so it’s not fairly so frozen stable. However, you understand, take that dice and let it type of thought to room temperature a bit bit whereas I’m getting ready a meal. And if I’ve like a “spaghetti sauce” or one thing like that, simply toss that in proper earlier than serving. And once more, it provides a creamy texture, however you don’t style the livery type of taste. And also you don’t get… Clearly, what lots of people don’t like about liver too is the type of bizarre texture that it will get when it will get overcooked. And this type of eliminates, you understand, these issues. In order that’s an effective way of getting it in. However, you understand, if you’re consuming an entire meals like that, versus one thing extracted from an entire meals, you’re getting the entire accent vitamins which are designed by nature to work collectively, you understand, and when consumed. And so, in organ meats, normally, are essentially the most nutrient-dense elements of any, you understand, animal supply meals, you understand, that we is likely to be inclined to eat. Most individuals although after they consider meat, they consider, you understand, steak, and rooster, and no matter else. And we’ve type of developed a taboo in our tradition towards consuming organ meats. Nicely, I suppose, pun supposed, nevertheless it appears terrible, proper? , their tastes and texture is related to many organ meats which are unfamiliar, and subsequently, many individuals don’t discover palatable.

However there are methods of creating a style for this stuff. And, you understand, you do this partially by simply sneaking it in a bit at a time, you understand. And you discover artistic recipes, additionally, which I wish to suppose I created a few of these in my “Primal Fats Burner” guide. , I type of went into creating recipes for that guide, kicking and screaming, as a result of I simply didn’t actually wish to have, you understand, a cookbook related to my factor as a result of that’s not my factor. And once I cook dinner, additionally, it’s simply type of a pinch of this and a touch of that, and I don’t observe recipes. And once I learn different books which have recipes in them, you understand, I by no means ever use that a part of the guide. So I all the time really feel like I’ve paid for half a guide that I received’t use. However I’ve gotten so many constructive emails from individuals who have, you understand, simply actually, actually cherished the recipes. And so, you understand, in the long run, I’m glad I did it. And I feel there are plenty of actually good recipes and I incorporate organ meats in a few of the recipes. So I hope, you understand, individuals will experiment with that. It’s actually necessary, although, to study to like these issues. And when you can’t, when you completely can’t, you understand, there’s a firm, and I’m certain you’re accustomed to them, Ancestral Dietary supplements, and Brian Johnson is only a actually nice man. And what he’s carried out is he has… And I don’t have any monetary ties, you understand, with him in any respect, however I simply actually respect what he does together with his enterprise. He has a variety of grass-fed animals over in New Zealand, and, you understand, on pristine pastures, and issues like that. And when the animals are processed, he principally takes the entire organs and tissues and encapsulates them within the minimally processed style as a way to get the dietary worth from varied organ meats and tissues that both you don’t just like the style of, or frankly, might not be available. It’s actually laborious to search out a few of these issues generally.

And in order that’s another choice for individuals, I feel, is, you understand, buying organ meats in a supplemental kind in the event that they don’t have entry to those issues in a straightforward manner. And, you understand, it’s dearer. You’re having to swallow a bunch of tablets, as a substitute of simply merely eat meals. However it’s I feel, an exquisite adjunct to any, you understand, essentially wholesome ancestral food regimen, you understand, is the addition of varied organs and tissues that might not be readily accessible by, you understand, the same old shops that you just go to or the butchers that you just go to. I imply, you can too… And more and more, I’m actually enthusiastic about encouraging individuals to determine relationships with the those that increase your meals, and exit to the farms, and look into the eyes of the animals that will find yourself in your dinner plate in some unspecified time in the future, and learn how they’re being fed, and make it possible for they’re being, you understand, fed and handled in the suitable manner, as a way to be ok with the place your meals comes from, and that you just really feel a extra direct connection. As a result of I’d say, out of the entire issues which are lacking from our trendy meals provide, it’s our relationship, our direct relationship to that.

And the psychology that comes with that, I feel, is part of the way in which that we digest and assimilate these meals. , simply for instance, I imply, I’ve skilled, you understand, what it’s wish to go and purchase one thing shrink-wrapped, after which cook dinner it up, after which eat it whereas I’m watching, you understand, one thing on TV or simply whereas I’m on the run someplace versus having appeared within the eyes of one thing that, you understand, later wound up on my dinner plate. I can inform you that the expertise of taking that meals in was extraordinarily completely different. And there was virtually a reverence that got here with…actually fairly actually a way of reverence for me that got here with consuming, you understand, the meat of an animal that I had, you understand, seen alive. And whether or not that’s by searching, which this was that case, or whether or not it’s by elevating your individual animals, and butchering, and processing them, and no matter else, that direct relationship, there’s an entire cycle of life and demise of which we’re an element.

And now we have the phantasm in trendy society of being in some way separate from that. And it’s a part of the psychological sickness of the trendy age, I feel, is the concept that we’re in some way separate from nature. , with all due respect, I see that the appearance and the recognition of vegetarianism and veganism, particularly, to be extremely symptomatic of simply how far eliminated we’ve grow to be from the pure world during which we developed. And we all the time get into bother after we suppose we’re in some way separate from nature or above it indirectly. The consumption of meals is neither a sequence nor a ladder, it’s a circle. And we have to acknowledge and reclaim our half in that, I feel. I feel that’s part of reclaiming our most optimum well being. So, anyway, that’s my tackle that. And in definitely organ meats, in historic or primitive so-called, you understand, ancestral societies, these had been all the time thought-about essentially the most sacred necessary meals. Nicely, the meals that had been highest in fats and fat-soluble vitamins, specifically, had been the meals that had been thought-about a very powerful, by far, and had been revered essentially the most. However organ meats had been all the time chosen preferentially to muscle meats. , and we’ve type of flip-flopped that now. And, you understand, most individuals have a tendency to simply not even take into consideration organ meats. When they give thought to meat, they give thought to both processed meats of some sort or they give thought to beef or rooster. And don’t take into consideration the entire different issues that went into, you understand, that animal that include a really, very excessive diploma of dietary values. So, organ meat is type of a giant deal, however I don’t preach into the choir with you.

Katie: You’re so proper. It’s additionally that, like, connection to meals into nature. And I do know you do plenty of work to assist individuals study to reestablish that. And there are such a lot of others in our neighborhood as nicely that give individuals assets to assist do this. And I feel with liver, particularly, it’s necessary to notice, you touched on it, however the vitamin D element, particularly proper now, and I feel that’s a very good segue as nicely into type of one other space I needed to speak about. However we all know from years and years of information that vitamin D and having an satisfactory vitamin D standing, which liver does include vitamin D, is a vital issue for sustaining a robust immune system, and for having the ability to reply to issues like respiratory sickness or now’s we’re shifting into flu season and chilly season. And so, I’d love to the touch on, I do know that you’ve carried out an entire large report on this, however the entire elements of that of what we have to know to assist our physique at a time like this and likewise, possibly to the touch on a controversial one among a few of the issues that we expect we is likely to be doing to guard ourselves that would really be harming our physique.

Nora: Doing extra hurt than good. Yeah. Nicely, the vitamin D factor, so there’s really not very excessive ranges of vitamin D in one thing like liver. It’s not saved within the liver. The richest pure supply of vitamin D is definitely in pastured animal fat, you understand, throughout the fat of those animals. And the richest pure supply of pure dietary vitamin D is definitely 100% pastured lard, you understand, pig fats, the place the pigs have been allowed to roam round in contemporary air and sunshine, and have sunshine actually beating down on their pores and skin whereas they manufacture a bunch of vitamin D. , in contrast to different mammals, plenty of different mammals anyway aside from, you understand, possibly us, that they don’t have plenty of hair on their our bodies. And that really permits for higher penetration of sunshine and better synthesis of vitamin D3. However sure, vitamin D is completely vital for… Nicely, see, the entire fat-soluble vitamins are, you understand, however there was, I feel it was an Indonesian research that talked about vitamin D, and survival charges, and an infection charges when it got here to the present, you understand, virus de jour, you’re 90% extra more likely to die in case your vitamin D ranges had been beneath 20 nanograms per milliliter versus, you understand, like one thing lower than 5% more likely to die in case your D ranges had been over 60 nanograms or between 60 and 80 nanograms per milliliter. Or really, I feel in that research was over… I feel they really had the wholesome ranges as over 40. So, you understand, vitamin D, I take into account between 60 and 80 to be extra optimum for many issues. And the factor is when now we have irritation and we’re uncovered to infections and issues like that, we blow by D actually quick. So, I like emulsified into types of D in our life assemble which are a bit extra bioavailable. However I’m not a fan of, like, simply popping vitamin D tablets on a regular basis. Clearly, getting it from meals is absolutely necessary as a result of you might have accent vitamins which are going to work with it. In my guide, “Primal Fats Burner,” I’ve talked in regards to the three amigos, which had been vitamin D3, vitamin A, and I imply, true vitamin A, retinol, the type of stuff you get in liver, which we had been simply speaking about, and likewise vitamin K2, once more, present in pastured animal fat.

And poultry fats, specifically, and poultry liver are fairly excessive in K2 and the richest pure supplemental supply, and truly the one pure supplemental supply of K2 and K4, which is the one kind that’s present in, like, for example, the human mind, that’s really taken up in maternal umbilical blood. The MK-7 stuff that’s so standard is definitely not absorbed within the umbilical blood in any respect. And there actually isn’t any foundation for that type of K2 within the human food regimen. And I imply, that’s an entire controversial factor I might rant on for some time, however I don’t wanna get too far off observe. MK-4 is the type of vitamin K2 that we developed consuming. So it is smart to me that that’s what we must be going for, richest pure supplemental kind. And once more, I don’t have monetary ties to this firm, however there’s a selected genetic pressure of emu oil. And there’s an organization known as Walkabout Well being Merchandise. They usually have had the best ranges of K2 measured of any MK-4 ranges, of any meals.

And it’s principally a meals substance. It’s an entire, you understand, meals in oil kind. , so that you may be popping vitamin D tablets all day lengthy. And we all know that vitamin D aids within the absorption of calcium, for example, amongst, you understand, an entire bunch of different issues that vitamin D does. However what really determines how that calcium will get used and the place it’s sequestered and absorbed within the physique, and utilized within the physique, that call is principally made by “vitamin K2.” And so when you’re taking a bunch of vitamin D and also you’re not getting satisfactory K2, you would find yourself calcifying issues that had been by no means meant to be calcified. , your coronary heart, your mind, your joints, you understand, your endothelium, your arteries, I imply, and all of that, which is, in fact, not fascinating. So, with all of the analysis round vitamin D, which, you understand, I’m thrilled that vitamin D is acknowledged for its significance, however now we have to know that vitamins don’t function in a vacuum in nature, that inside meals, they’re complicated with different vitamins that they’re designed to work in live performance with, in an effort to optimize your well being.

And vitamin A, and D3 and K2, you understand, I name them the three amigos they usually should trip collectively. , you actually wish to have meals that symbolize all three of those vitamins in your food regimen or dietary supplements that symbolize all three of those vitamins of their most pure food-based varieties in your food regimen, if you wish to get one of the best advantages from them. And naturally, vitamin A is so necessary, you understand, for the well being of your endothelium, for the well being of your mucosa, of your lungs, for example. Vitamin A is enormously regenerative. And by the way in which, previous to World Battle II, the first focus of anti-infective remedy was retinol, not beta carotene, you understand, not any plant-based so-called pro-vitamin A, however retinol, the stuff that may solely be present in animal supply meals. And naturally, liver, once more, is the richest pure supply.

And so if you would like wholesome lungs, you want wholesome pure saturated fat as a result of lung surfactant is a disaturate molecule. You don’t need an entire bunch of polyunsaturated fat making up the surfactant in your lungs. And the rationale {that a} desaturate molecule is what your physique makes lung surfactant from, is that saturated fats by its very nature is inherently immune to oxidation, proper? The extra polyunsaturated the fats, the extra susceptible it’s to going rancid shortly. Saturated fats helps to guard issues. It protects fat-soluble vitamins from rancidity within the physique. It helps to guard your tissues from overly fast oxidation. And so, you understand, once more, animal supply meals are fairly key to sustaining optimized immune well being proper now. And actually, that must be everyone’s focus, actually… , when you’re… I do know lots of people, they suppose the way in which to go is locking themselves behind closed doorways, hermetically sealing themselves in a bubble, strapping a diaper on their face, and carrying gloves, and staying as distant as potential from their fellow people. And this isn’t how the human immune system evolve.

This isn’t the type of factor that really strengthens immune perform. In truth, it’s been really demonstrated now by an entire wealth of various knowledge, that you just’re extra more likely to weaken your immune perform by doing that than you might be to guard your self in any significant manner. , the factor that now we have to understand is that no matter these celeb viruses that’s on the market, now, it’s not going away. It’s not like a noxious or poisonous gasoline that, you understand, we will conceal behind closed doorways, and it’s gonna dissipate, after which we will come out and have normalcy once more. Viruses are a part of our pure atmosphere. They’ve been for hundreds of thousands of years. And for at the very least the final 2 million years that now we have been evolving as a species, now we have carried out so within the presence of hundreds of thousands of this stuff, if not billions of this stuff. And we’re nonetheless right here. And we’re right here as a result of now we have an immune system that is aware of find out how to adapt itself to immune challenges, and it will get stronger by publicity. Now, I’m not suggesting that anyone who’s immune-compromised or is indirectly and has a number of comorbidities, who’s tremendous weak, must run out and instantly expose themselves. What I’m saying is that these individuals, particularly, must be centered on enhancing the well being of their immune perform and never attempting to cover from the virus. I imply, that must be the precedence, proper, that doing what is important to rebuild your immune system’s power and resiliency is your manner out of that concern. That’s the primary manner out of that concern. For the remainder of us which are in any other case wholesome, that don’t have, you understand, untold comorbidities or vulnerabilities, for us, one of the best path ahead is thru what may be termed true herd immunity. And, you understand, in fact, Sweden has already completed this. And for essentially the most half, so have we. , we see so-called… They’re calling it a casedemic now. , oh, all these new circumstances. Nicely, there’s all this new testing.

And that testing is extremely, extremely suspect. There isn’t a correct testing. Okay? There isn’t a such factor as correct testing. However false positives are an actual consequence of most of this testing. So, you get excessive numbers of individuals testing constructive, no matter meaning. However if you have a look at the place the rubber hits the highway, which is an precise demise charges, these have been plummeting now for months. And so, what you see with, you understand, these divergent curves is absolutely, if something, proof of herd immunity… If circumstances aren’t… Nicely, what they’re calling circumstances. So, in drugs, what is often known as a case is an precise energetic an infection the place somebody is sick. Okay. Optimistic exams don’t a case make. A constructive check is simply, you understand, some type of indication that there was publicity, nevertheless it’s not essentially proof of sickness. And, you understand, now we have to be very cautious in regards to the language that we use. And sadly, the media is by no means cautious, and vested pursuits are by no means cautious.

And that’s creating plenty of pointless hysteria, when, in truth, you understand, the overwhelming majority of individuals, like, we’re speaking 99.96% of everyone goes to be simply superb. And the those that aren’t going to be simply superb… , even the CDC claims that solely of 6% of the deaths. And I imply, we all know. We’ve all seen these headlines and we’ve all seen the truth that the CDC has made their thought of diagnosing, that is extraordinarily liberal, proper? I imply, they don’t even must have a check end result. It’s like if anyone has a cough or a sniffle or, you understand, a few signs, that basically may very well be virtually any respiratory sickness, that’s enough to simply slap a label of this explicit virus on that and name it that. And if an individual has a half dozen issues improper with them on the time they die, they usually occur to check constructive, nicely, that can be listed as a COVID demise. And now we have to type of attempt to reclaim our sanity a bit bit and check out what is definitely taking place and the way hysteria is being promulgated in an pointless style.

So, you understand, I’m not attempting to show this into conspiracy concept hour, though, simply because one thing known as a conspiracy doesn’t imply it’s not essentially true. However, you understand, there are plenty of methods of all this. This entire topic issues grow to be a little bit of a corridor of mirrors. And plenty of rational dialogue and plenty of rational have a look at the precise knowledge and the numbers and proof at hand has been ignored in favor of plenty of worry and hysteria which are resulting in I feel a lot larger well being issues, which contain, oh, I don’t know, poverty, your complete shutdown and managed demolition of the financial system, stress-related sickness of all types, huge declines in psychological well being, huge will increase in drug abuse and alcoholism, will increase in all types of social unrest but additionally skyrocketing ranges of suicide.

And we’re seeing now, many, many, many extra deaths by orders of magnitude when you wanna have a look at the curves related to demise associated to these points. I imply, poverty alone is considered by the World Well being Group because the primary reason for mortality worldwide, proper? Nicely, now, it’s not only a third world drawback anymore. , all elements of contemporary society are actually being subjected to the potential for poverty and hunger, and the hunger that, you understand, issues that will ensue, you understand, from all of this hysteria might end in, I’m attempting to recollect if this was a UN quantity, however 300,000 deaths or extra per yr, which, once more, makes the deaths from COVID appear to be a pace bump by comparability. So, you understand, we must be a bit bit rational and we must be extra centered on well being than illness, proper, on the restoration and assist of immune and different well being versus doing issues out of worry in an effort to attempt to keep away from illness. It’s a really completely different mindset, nevertheless it’s a a lot more healthy one.

And so, you understand, in the long term, we’re gonna must study to reside with no matter is in our surroundings. And I feel that human contact is as a lot a nutrient and human contact, for crying out loud, is as a lot of a nutrient for us and is actually a life important nutrient for each one among us as human beings, as is high quality vitamin, contemporary air, water, and sunshine. And avoiding each other and studying to reside individually from each other, and in relative isolation from each other is the best recipe for demise and destruction than anything I can consider. That is… As soon as our life grow to be dehumanizing, what’s the purpose, proper? So, anyway, I’m simply type of on my rant right here. I don’t know if I’ve deviated a bit farther from the place you needed me to go, however I’m completely satisfied to get roped again in if you would like me to cowl one thing in a bit bit completely different manner.

Katie: No, I feel that’s such an necessary mindset shift and strategy proper now and particularly now, as we all know extra. And such as you mentioned, the virus isn’t simply going to go away. We will’t simply isolate ceaselessly and hope that it will definitely goes away. That’s not the way it works. And to me, it’s the same analogy to a shift I needed to make internally when it got here to meals. After years of attempting to drop pounds, I had developed this type of, like, deprivation mindset round meals. And I needed to make a psychological swap towards the main target of nourishing my physique and giving it sufficient energy and feeding it as a result of I cherished it versus depriving it as a result of I used to be mad at it.

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And I really feel like with regards to our immune programs, that’s the shift we have to make as nicely, like shifting away from the fear-based facet, and like all of that, and shifting into the supporting our physique, supporting our immune system from a constructive perspective, trying on the constructive issues which are inside our management, versus simply being afraid of the issues which are exterior of our management. And such as you mentioned so nicely, to not say individuals with comorbidities mustn’t take cautions, that’s definitely not what we’re saying in any respect, however that acknowledging that there are lots of issues inside our management that possibly aren’t being talked about sufficient and that we additionally reside our lives continuously within the sympathetic state of nervousness and worry, as a result of being idle, I feel, that’s actively suppressing our immune system as nicely.

Nora: Completely. There’s hardly something extra immunosuppressive than stress. And, you understand, that does deliver me to one of many large no-no’s. I imply, I hate to place it in unfavourable phrases, just like the primary neatest thing you are able to do to your well being is one thing that you just don’t wanna do, and that’s watching the information. , flip CNN and the entire remainder of it off. And I imply, you understand, it’s a tall order throughout a extremely contentious election. However, you understand, there was a extremely great article revealed in “The Guardian” a number of years in the past. And the title of the article… And this was primarily based on a bunch of analysis that had been carried out, that really appeared on the impact of people that often watch the information, appeared on the impact of that upon their well being. Now, this text was revealed lengthy earlier than, you understand, this entire large scare that began about it, you understand, lower than a yr in the past now. However the title of the article was, “Information is unhealthy for you, and giving up studying it can make you happier.” And one of many issues that they mentioned within the article was “Information is unhealthy to your well being, It results in worry and aggression and hinders your creativity and talent to suppose deeply. The answer, cease consuming it altogether.” And there was one other quote in there that said that almost all of us don’t but perceive that information is to the thoughts what sugar is to the physique. Okay? And by the way in which, sugar is a kind of different issues that may completely suppress your immune perform. And what are individuals doing proper now? They’re sitting at house on their couches, not going anyplace, not shifting round very a lot, they usually’re consuming consolation meals. And, you understand, the overwhelming majority… What has really been discovered is that the nations that had been essentially the most locked down, and Argentina in all probability was essentially the most lockdown nation of any of them, like individuals haven’t gone out of their properties and a few of them for like eight months. I imply, excessive lockdown measures.

Additionally they had the best charges of mortality. So the extra lockdown a rustic is, the extra remoted you might be, the extra sequestered you might be. , in a confined house, the much less wholesome you’re more likely to be and the much less constructive consequence you’re more likely to have. , and conversely, in Sweden, you understand, the demise charge there from, you understand, even an infection is 0.058, no 0.0058%. , it’s subsequent to nothing they usually by no means locked down. The best charge of mortality they’d was by poor administration of elder care amenities, which refreshingly, the Well being Minister admitted that he’d made a mistake in how he initially dealt with that. However for essentially the most half, issues have gone again to regular there. They haven’t seen deaths in Sweden from this in months. So, you understand, the eating places are open, individuals are going to work. And the diploma to which an financial system can function unbiased of the remainder of the world in as we speak’s society, as we speak’s more and more globalized society.

, their financial system is doing so much higher than everyone else’s. However it’s attention-grabbing, the identical article in “The Guardian” confirmed how mainstream information misleads and overrides rational considering. And I’ve these notes from the article. “Mainstream information is irrelevant to something that has the potential to enhance the standard of your life. Information has no true explanatory energy. Information is actually poisonous to your physique and mind.” It continuously triggers your limbic system and cortisol, and that then dysregulates your immune system and ravages your mind. In different phrases, your physique finds itself in a state of continual stress. And high-stress hormone ranges trigger impaired digestion, lack of mobile development and therapeutic, nervousness, and susceptibility to infections. It additionally results in mind shrinkage. How handy? The opposite potential unwanted effects embrace anxiousness, melancholy, aggression, tunnel imaginative and prescient, and desensitization. Additionally, watching the information often has been proven to extend cognitive errors and feeds the mom of all cognitive errors, which is company and political affirmation bias, to not point out social polarization.

Information additionally inhibits considering. Pondering requires focus. Focus requires uninterrupted time. Information items are particularly engineered to interrupt you. They’re like viruses, mockingly, that steal consideration for their very own functions. Information makes us shallow thinkers, nevertheless it’s worse than that. Information severely impacts our reminiscence perform in line with at the very least one Canadian research. Information is an intentional interruption system. Additionally, information works like a drug, actually altering the construction of your mind. The extra information we eat, the extra we train the neural circuits dedicated to skimming and multitasking whereas ignoring these used for studying deeply and considering deeply with any significant focus. Information wastes our time. Information makes us passive. Information tales are overwhelmingly about issues you possibly can’t affect. It grinds us down till we undertake a worldview that’s pessimistic, desensitized, sarcastic, cynical, and fatalistic.

The scientific time period is discovered helplessness, proper, which can be related to medical melancholy, which is one other main lethal epidemic of our time. Information additionally kills creativity. Like, you understand, we want unbiased reporting that police’s our establishments and uncovers precise reality. Because of this now we have to assist high quality different media, you understand, like your present, for example. And this is also why different media occurs to be within the crosshairs of the mainstream media proper now. So, you understand, don’t be dwelling each second of on daily basis in quarantine indoors. , you ought to be out. , right here’s the irony, we’re speaking about vitamin D. What was one of many first issues that they did, you understand, after they locked us down? They made it “unlawful” which isn’t unlawful. There have been no legal guidelines handed, you understand, quarantining or forcing mask-wearing. These aren’t legal guidelines, these mandates are… Anyway. It simply type of makes me loopy. However they shut down the seashores.

, they inform individuals, “You possibly can’t go to the park. You possibly can’t stroll in contemporary air and sunshine.” , I’d lose my thoughts if I stroll, you understand, right into a nature space and I’m strolling on a nature path, and I see individuals strolling on the trail carrying masks. Actually? , and shutting down the seashores, holding individuals away from contemporary air and sunshine as if that’s imagined to be one thing protecting, you understand, plenty of what’s occurring is not sensible. Simply as most issues bureaucratic make no sense. I don’t know of any instance of the place paperwork has ever carried out something to learn humanity. We have to take a step again and take a extra, like I say, rational look, and we must be open to voices that aren’t essentially in lockstep, so to talk, you understand, with the mainstream orthodoxy, proper. The mainstream speaking factors. After which, so far as I do know, you understand, personally, there’s far an excessive amount of censorship taking place, there shouldn’t be any censorship taking place.

And it’s not simply that there’s censorship taking place, there’s mass censorship taking place. And that’s not the way in which we resolve one thing that, by the way in which, I imply, now we have to get this proper. And we will’t get this proper by suppressing dissenting dialogue, you understand, by suppressing dialogue, normally. Speaking factors aren’t going to save lots of us. And so, there’s… , wow, at this level, with respect to this entire debacle that we’ve all been in the course of now and for in regards to the final eight months. I went into researching this entire factor, kicking and screaming. I actually simply… , individuals discuss it, you understand, I roll a bit bit. It’s like, “Okay, I’ve obtained different issues to do” as a result of yearly, they attempt to scare us with one thing. Yearly, they’re attempting to promote, you understand, a brand new illness, a brand new vaccine, or no matter.

However finally, you understand, simply just by the sheer prevalence of the problem, I used to be compelled to essentially check out it, and I noticed I needed to take a accountable have a look at it. I couldn’t simply go together with my computerized instincts about it, simply type of being, I don’t know, one thing questionable. I actually wanted to take a look at and observe the place the info led me. And that’s what I did. I used to be completely prepared to go wherever the info led me and I actually labored laborious at holding myself and my very own biases in verify. And, you understand, after now, I can truthfully say, I simply put near 400 hours into this from all completely different angles. So, I imply, I might come at this from so many alternative angles.

One of many issues I did for my viewers and for my potential viewers, is I created an prolonged report. And gosh, I rewrote it so many occasions as a result of I used to be tempted to go in so many alternative instructions with it. And I actually, actually needed to, you understand, specific as many truths as I’ve been in a position to uncover and will assist with actually good high quality, credible documentation and knowledge. However what I selected to hone in on and focus upon was a way more type of constructive strategy that was going to be actionable and sensible and self-empowering for anyone that learn it. As a result of it’s not laborious to scare the crap out of anyone with all these things there may be to learn about this. And actually, the issues which are scary is to have little or no to do with any danger of getting sick from a virus. However what I needed to deal with was the self-empowerment of people who had been already afraid and had been involved about getting sick and anxious about what to do to maintain themselves wholesome. And so, with a selected focus upon these kind of respiratory diseases, of which there are about a few hundred completely different varieties, you understand, and all of that, however with respect to respiratory diseases, I did my due diligence, and I created an especially, let’s consider, nutrient-dense report that anyone can entry without cost.

All the work that I’ve carried out on this enviornment, all 400, nevertheless many hours that I’ve carried out on this respect, I take into account it personally type of unethical, I suppose, to cost for that info as a result of there’s simply an excessive amount of at stake. And I actually need individuals to be empowered with good high quality, credible, correct info. And so, I created the preliminary report and anyone can entry it by both going to primalcourses.com, which is my instructional web site, or my homepage on my common web site, which is primalbody-primalmind.com. And you’ll put in your electronic mail tackle, and a hyperlink can be despatched to you the place you possibly can entry the report without cost. I can’t abuse your electronic mail, I promise. And on that very same web page, when you’ve learn by the report, and also you’ve absorbed that info, I’ve additionally been including an amazing quantity of extra info coming from all completely different angles concerning all elements of what’s occurring.

And once more, I fastidiously vet my sourcing. I don’t simply go and say, “Nicely, I noticed this YouTube video that mentioned…” , though, good luck watching a YouTube video that’s gonna contradict the mainstream narrative. These are inclined to disappear in a short time now. However I digress. I’ve been very, very cautious to vet the knowledge and to decide on info that really comes from credible, verifiable sources. If there may be unbiased journalism concerned, I can’t publish something until that journalist has equipped me with all of their sourcing and till I’ve gone to all that sourcing. I imply, that is what number of rabbit holes I’ve gone down. I’ll go and I’ll lookup the references, after which I’ll learn these references. And I’ll go to the references these references supplied, I’ll have a look at these references. And I’ve gone down innumerable rabbit holes so as, you understand, to determine that the knowledge I’m offering, at the very least has a foundation of credibility, proper? And naturally, science isn’t the final phrase. It’s the newest phrase, proper? All we will do is one of the best we will do with the present knowledge at hand. However there’s fairly a bit extra that we all know now that we didn’t know eight months in the past.

And there have been plenty of errors and miscalculations made, that we’re nonetheless paying the worth for and which are nonetheless driving public coverage. And we type of have to sober up a bit bit from the drunken hysteria and actually begin to concentrate to info that’s not simply merely being spoon-fed to you thru a media that already is being pushed by and managed by vested pursuits which have, you understand, that sure enterprise pursuits and company pursuits which are vested in ensuring that extra of the identical continues. And, you understand, we all know that the highest 4 billionaires on the earth have elevated their backside strains now by one thing, is it 586 or 589, nicely, in all probability shut by now to $600 billion. Nicely, you understand, I feel it’s price questioning that as a result of a few of these people have a really excessive diploma of management over what’s revealed or broadcasted within the information, and what’s shaping public coverage and well being coverage.

And so, no one is absolutely coming to save lots of us right here. It’s actually necessary that we settle for some particular person duty and that, you understand, we grow to be those that we’ve been ready for, proper? We now have to study to suppose independently of our friends, and of social media, and mainstream media. And we have to simply be prepared to be open sufficient to absorb different info, and to present individuals some credit score or, you understand, a bit bit…or not credit score, however to, you understand… I imply, I’ve to bear in mind the truth that it’s laborious to search out different info, proper? As a result of a lot of it has been fastidiously parsed out to us, you understand, in a fastidiously spoon-fed method. So, now we have to study to dig. We now have to grow to be, as I like to think about myself, you understand, reality archaeologists. And now we have to study to dig beneath what seems to be, you understand, the floor reality and determine what it’s that we really have to know. And once more, I do consider that we must be shifting our focus away from how will we, you understand, conceal from this virus? How will we, you understand, conceal from one another?

It must be as a substitute, how will we meet the problem, proper? How can our immune system greatest meet the problem of this stuff? And once more, issues from an ancestral perspective and understanding how our immune programs developed within the first place. Look, you understand, you possibly can’t be afraid, you understand, of, say, I don’t know, lifting a heavy weight, proper? As a result of whereas my muscle tissues are weak, so I actually shouldn’t attempt to raise something heavy, proper? These are the individuals which are hiding at house as a result of they suppose they’ve a compromised immune system. Nicely, you understand, sitting and hiding at house will not be strengthening your immune system. It’s not getting any higher. So the main target actually must be as a substitute of not doing the factor you suppose, you understand, goes to, you understand, put you in danger is, you understand, take some child steps in direction of strengthening your immune perform. And clearly, understanding that you just don’t have any wiggle room with respect to what it can take nutritionally for you. , you have to not compromise your food regimen and compromise the standard of the meals that you just eat, proper, and the issues that you just take pleasure in. You actually don’t have room for lots of, you understand, indulgences, if you really feel that your immune system could also be compromised. That’s if you type of have to take the bull by the horns, take duty for that and work on strengthening your immune perform, as a substitute of simply making it worse, you understand, by placing on masks and hiding at house and isolating your self from different individuals, together with the individuals that you just love and belief essentially the most on this world.

Katie: Yeah, that’s such an necessary level for all of us, too, it’s like, all of us have to take private duty for ourselves. And that’s gonna look completely different for every of us. And we’re all accountable. We’re our personal major well being care supplier, ourselves. We do work with practitioners, however we’re our personal major well being care supplier and we have to take that duty severely. And I feel the opposite level you made so nicely is completely spot-on is after we consider we’re completely sure about one thing, I feel now we have an obligation not simply to be open to different viewpoints, however really to actively learn and take into account different viewpoints to make it possible for we’re nicely knowledgeable in our opinion. And I feel what we want so badly on the earth proper now’s extra individuals prepared to try this, to critically query their very own beliefs to make it possible for they’ve discovered and to have empathy for different viewpoints. And in addition adults, who may be examples of somebody and saying, “I’ll have a distinct opinion than you, however I nonetheless love and respect you as an individual. And let’s have a constructive sort dialog.” I really feel like particularly proper now we’ve misplaced so much…

Nora: It takes frontal lobes to try this, you understand. And the issue is… , and I talked about this in my first guide, “Primal Physique, Primal Thoughts.” Within the primal thoughts part, towards the tip of the guide, I talked about, you understand, what really occurs to the mind of an individual below continual stress and worry is…what actually occurs is an instantaneous hypoperfusion to the chief functioning a part of our mind, which is actually the a part of our mind that makes us essentially the most human. Once we go into battle or flight mode, you understand, all the things will get shunted away from vital considering as a result of, you understand, if you’re in survival mode, you don’t have time to take a seat down. And, you understand, it’s not selectively advantageous to take a seat down, you understand, and begin to ponder when the saber-toothed tiger’s coming at you. , you simply wish to act. , you’re instantly in survival mode, actually battle or flight. And so, all issues are… The elements of our mind which are liable for really considering by one thing, possibly within the context of the previous or in context of, you understand, all accessible knowledge and all of that type of factor, that stuff goes out the window. Blood move to that a part of the mind shuts down. And, you understand, for my part, it’s type of an indicator of the society during which we’re dwelling. We’re both liable to knee jerk emotional reactivity towards all the things. And, you understand, fearful, you understand, conduct primarily based on worry, which makes us very malleable, by the way in which. We’ll do virtually something after we’re afraid if anyone tells us, “Oh, I understand how to repair it. I do know you’re afraid. I understand how to repair it, simply, you understand, do what I inform you.” We now have to essentially, actually resist that. And the opposite a part of that, in fact, is that individuals are additionally extra more likely to behave aggressively and judgementally and impulsively after they’re in that…you understand, after they’re in a state of neurologically sympathetic dominance, in different phrases, battle or flight. And that’s an indicator of the society during which we reside proper now.

It’s all principally virtually definable by these traits. And, you understand, it’s an amazing argument for why one other… , possibly the antithesis to watching the mainstream information could be to as a substitute go sit in a quiet house and focus in your respiration for about half an hour. The half-hour that you’d have spent losing your life getting stressed by the information, you possibly can’t do something about anyway, go sit in a quiet nook and meditate. , simply take rely. , get into your individual physique and take stock and simply focus in your respiration for half-hour. You’re gonna do much more to your well being and nicely being, reclaim that a part of your mind that this debacle has taken away from you. And the one manner we get out of that is if we’re in a position to suppose clearly, proper? And there’s an enormous a part of our brains proper now that almost all of individuals in our society simply merely don’t have entry to by advantage of their emotions of worry and fear and hysteria. We have to let go of that as a result of it’s not serving us, and it can’t serve us.

We must be centered on actually, actually, actually doing no matter is feasible to reclaim. And by the way in which, it’s tremendously useful to your immune perform to try this, on prime of your means to suppose your manner by, you understand. I imply, all of us have so much to consider proper now. We now have a giant mess, a giant, large, large mess to wash up, and no one’s going to wash it up for us. And if we’re gonna clear it up for ourselves, now we have to have the presence of thoughts with which to try this. So flip off CNN, go sit in a nook and meditate for half an hour. Take a deep breath, exhale it slowly, don’t sigh it out, and reoxygenate your… Take the masks off if you meditate or do… I imply, each likelihood you get, you ought to be taking the masks off. And I’ve about 115-page report I’ll be publishing within the subsequent few days that gives the entire most present science on that entire subject material.

In truth, the CDC simply got here out simply the opposite day with a research that confirmed that 75% or extra of everyone that obtained unwell, that had developed this sickness and had a foul consequence with this sickness, wore masks largely or all the time. And we’re not simply speaking the material masks, which most individuals know are unhealthy, however all of them. And within the article that I’ve written or the report as a result of it’s fairly prolonged… However I’m actually thorough. Like I say, I’m very accountable with the way in which that I strategy this stuff. And, you understand, I even coated the topic of N95 masks, which everyone thinks is just like the gold customary of safety. It’s not. It could actually’t be. These items aren’t designed to guard from viruses. They’re designed to guard from micro organism in a surgical state of affairs. And from particulates from, you understand, both noxious gases in some circumstances or particulates, notably with respect to, like, mud and smoke and issues like that. However they don’t actually defend from respiratory viruses. They usually really can do extra hurt than good in that regard. So, the entire proof can be supplied. And there’s an unlimited quantity of data.

Katie: I imply, we’re operating, sadly, to the tip of our time however you’ve given so many assets, and I do know you might have so many in your website. I’m gonna hold an eye fixed out for the masks report as nicely. But additionally, I’ll be certain that I’ll hyperlink on to all the opposite ones you’ve talked about and likewise to your packages. We didn’t have time to get into… I’ll be certain that to hyperlink to them at wellnessmama.fm.

Nora: I hold forgetting, I even have a enterprise. Yeah. So, I do have a few, you understand, instructional packages. I do have a year-long, you understand, 52 weeks certification course, that may be a big variety of practitioners, together with medical medical doctors and naturopaths and chiropractors, but additionally simply common individuals who’re eager to take a deeper dive into varied topics associated to well being. I’ve by no means gotten a foul assessment about that course from anyone. All of them say, “Oh my God, I’ve by no means seen this a lot info. It’s wonderful.” Additionally, I’ve my program, my most up-to-date program, essentially the most requested program I’ve ever had by my viewers known as “The Primalgenic Plan.” It’s a three-week meal by meal whole well being transformation program. And it’s centered on adopting a extra optimized ancestrally-based and, you understand, ketogenic manner of consuming.

And it must be… Simply in fast passing, you understand, there may be completely nothing extra…no dietary strategy that’s ever proven a higher safety towards influenza-like sickness than a ketogenic dietary strategy. One thing a couple of ketogenic dietary strategy that influenza-like sickness doesn’t like in any respect. However there as many alternative methods of approaching that’s there are individuals claiming to observe it. I’ve taken the painstaking steps of optimizing this for as many individuals as humanly potential. And so “The Primalgenic Plan,” I’m, you understand, completely satisfied to supply your listeners 30% off for that. And, you understand, I’m certain you’ll have a hyperlink in your web site as to the code that individuals can use in your web site in an effort to entry that low cost for this subsequent month so, you understand, by the tip of November.

Katie: Yeah, I’ll be certain that to place it on the present notes at wellnessmama.fm, together with all of your assets as a result of there are such a lot of. Yeah, and we’ll positively put it on social media as nicely when this airs so individuals can discover it straight. And like I mentioned, our time all the time flies by, however Nora, thanks a lot. It’s been a pleasure as all the time.

Nora: Oh, thanks, Katie. , it’s such a privilege to know you, nevertheless it’s an actual honor and a privilege to be a visitor in your present. And I’ve actually loved. I’ve actually loved speaking with you.

Katie: Thanks. And thanks as all the time for listening, for sharing your most precious useful resource, your time, with each of us as we speak. We’re so grateful that you just did, and I hope that you’ll be part of me once more on the subsequent episode of the “Wellness Mama Podcast.”

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